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was it evident when you brought the case that the pentagon would change its stance? >> you know, alex, i have to be honest, i've been hoping all along and saying candidly, i thought leon panetta was the secretary of defense that would lift this ban. i felt like given his history this was something he would understand. the fact that it came as a suggestion unanimously from the joint chiefs makes it very validating for me. being in the military, so it's not -- the people who don't want things dictated to the military, they can't say that now, because the joint chiefs do what's in the military's best interest and recognize the policy is damaging. >> the lawsuit how does it stand now? is it dropped? >> i can't really speak to the legal, technical aspects. from what i understand, the lawsuit continues until we see something in writing that satisfies all the stipulations of the lawsuit. but this is what we were hoping for. >> what about the op-ed arguing that both men and women would feel humiliated in front of each other due to sanitary issues of infantry combat, having t
was it evident when you brought the case that the pentagon would change its stance? >> you know, alex, i have to be honest, i've been hoping all along and saying candidly, i thought leon panetta was the secretary of defense that would lift this ban. i felt like given his history this was something he would understand. the fact that it came as a suggestion unanimously from the joint chiefs makes it very validating for me. being in the military, so it's not -- the people who don't want...
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you may recall the pentagon was very concerned about this saying they would have to cut about $100 billion right off the bat. some of the officials went to the white house and said let's make a deal on this. there will be a lot of pressure to do that. republicans agreed to raise the debt ceiling. that took away a little bit of their leverage going into negotiations at the end of february. here comes paul ryan. where has he been? he is making this line in the sand now. i think the white house is concerned because this could hurt the economy going forward if we go through these deep cuts and right now the white house is saying we need to keep the economy moving. we have to keep all eyes on that and continue to have growth and jobs. there is concern for the white house. >> ryan took one of his famous charts on "meet the press." you can tell immediately what he thinks the problem is, more spending cuts are needed. paul ryan says increasing revenue is off the table for now. the gop, the tax hikes during the fiscal cliff stuff. do they do it again? >> he was also asked and side stepped whether o
you may recall the pentagon was very concerned about this saying they would have to cut about $100 billion right off the bat. some of the officials went to the white house and said let's make a deal on this. there will be a lot of pressure to do that. republicans agreed to raise the debt ceiling. that took away a little bit of their leverage going into negotiations at the end of february. here comes paul ryan. where has he been? he is making this line in the sand now. i think the white house is...
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why did it take so long for the pentagon to recognize the true role of women in these combat positions? >> bureaucratic institutions change more slowly than almost anything else in the universe, slower than evolution, and it usually takes a great deal of leadership or some catastrophic event to change them. i think the irony is that the war we've been fighting for the last ten years which as you said, were casualties were the catalyst that changed everything because we decided we weren't going to put women in combat units and we were fighting in environments that there are no front lines and everybody realized that there was a difference. everybody's a target and the ban against women were women if combat all of the time. >> what are going to be some of the obstacles to put in this plan in place in the military? >> of course, there are always administrative and logistical decisions that will have to be made and that will take some time. women have to apply to be in combat units, and i think some combat units and most notably, special operations and organizations are probably going to h
why did it take so long for the pentagon to recognize the true role of women in these combat positions? >> bureaucratic institutions change more slowly than almost anything else in the universe, slower than evolution, and it usually takes a great deal of leadership or some catastrophic event to change them. i think the irony is that the war we've been fighting for the last ten years which as you said, were casualties were the catalyst that changed everything because we decided we weren't...
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i think this is very important, richard, because i just -- i hope the pentagon thinks through this in a way that doesn't put american lives at risk because the one thing that keeps men in combat right now fighting, as i've heard my entire life from veterans who have been there, it's not the flag. it's not the great idea of american democracy. it's your buddy next to you. and they leave no man. and if women are in combat, they will leave no woman behind. and the question is, will that, in any way, jeopardize the safety of men and women that are going to be fighting now in the future? >> yeah, joe, i just think we've moved beyond that, right? >> i hope not. i hope not, richard. we're talking about people's safety. move beyond what? >> yeah. the point is, everyone has to pass physical tests. just because you're a man doesn't mean to say that the physical tests are any different. and they won't be any different for a woman either. you have to have extreme levels of physical capability to be in a combat zone given the nature and the professionalism. and yes, the spirit of the american mili
i think this is very important, richard, because i just -- i hope the pentagon thinks through this in a way that doesn't put american lives at risk because the one thing that keeps men in combat right now fighting, as i've heard my entire life from veterans who have been there, it's not the flag. it's not the great idea of american democracy. it's your buddy next to you. and they leave no man. and if women are in combat, they will leave no woman behind. and the question is, will that, in any...
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the pentagon is working out the specifics of a historic new rule announced this week. women will be allowed to serve in combat roles alongside men. former cia director and four star general michael hayden explains what it means for the requirements for special operations forces. listen to this. >> there are two kinds of standards. one set have to do with personal health. just raw physical fitness for members of the armed forces, how much pushups, sit ups, how fast you run a mile. those standards are different because men and women are different. these kinds of standards cannot be different. they have to do with accomplishing the job. therefore if the standard is here and only a small percentage of women can match that standard for reasons that are biological, the standard has to stay there, otherwise you are risking mission success. >> all right. joining me now two american vets, former marine and msnbc contributor goldie taylor and retired army captain wes moore. goldie, let me start with you and i want your reaction to what you heard hayden say. what's your reaction
the pentagon is working out the specifics of a historic new rule announced this week. women will be allowed to serve in combat roles alongside men. former cia director and four star general michael hayden explains what it means for the requirements for special operations forces. listen to this. >> there are two kinds of standards. one set have to do with personal health. just raw physical fitness for members of the armed forces, how much pushups, sit ups, how fast you run a mile. those...
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and they threw them all over the pentagon. the pentagon goes, geez, what do we do now? and they decided, gosh, i guess we better investigate them. so the inspector general at the pentagon was ordered by secretary panetta from his plane, he's traveling and says, gosh, we better do the investigation. so that's been rolling along. and there was never a thought to be evidence of real wrongdoing. general allen has been held up. he's our commander in kabul. he's a very fine general. and so it's good that this finally ended today. >> so what we've got, 9:00 eastern time, in about 15 minutes, the benghazi hearings, and secretary of state hillary clinton. what can we expect? >> this is going to be a tough swan song for secretary clinton. she's been such a tireless secretary of state, and she's going to be held to account by republicans, who are still upset about what happened in benghazi, where four americans were killed. i think she's going to push back. i think she's going to say to congress, look, if you care this much about the security of our embassies, then you've got to p
and they threw them all over the pentagon. the pentagon goes, geez, what do we do now? and they decided, gosh, i guess we better investigate them. so the inspector general at the pentagon was ordered by secretary panetta from his plane, he's traveling and says, gosh, we better do the investigation. so that's been rolling along. and there was never a thought to be evidence of real wrongdoing. general allen has been held up. he's our commander in kabul. he's a very fine general. and so it's good...
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she's also one of the plaintiffs in the aclu's lawsuit against the pentagon. let you listen to her and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> everybody wanted to make it a debate about whether or not women should be in combat. when the actual issue was that women are in combat. they're serving in combat. they're engaging the enemy, acting with valor, serving and not being recognized. i don't mean recognized with awards, with the correct job title that will get them promoted. >> i think that's kind of key what you were hitting on there. we have the big announcement next week. how soon before we see things actually change? what's the timetable for putting things in place to where, all right, they do start getting that recognition they so deserve? >> certainly the joint chiefs and it was a unanimous decision along with the secretary of defense, leon panetta, laid out for the services that every role should try to be open. and if the services decide that their particular roles, particular jobs that they just for whatever reason that women wouldn't meet the qual
she's also one of the plaintiffs in the aclu's lawsuit against the pentagon. let you listen to her and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> everybody wanted to make it a debate about whether or not women should be in combat. when the actual issue was that women are in combat. they're serving in combat. they're engaging the enemy, acting with valor, serving and not being recognized. i don't mean recognized with awards, with the correct job title that will get them promoted. >> i...
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or even in 10 years, we're going to have a budget that is completely taken up by entitlements in the pentagon. and that will be the only thing we're capable of funding. it's the only thing we'll be able to use the power of some progressive government to try to change. you can't be -- i don't think you can be a really good advocate for education, if at the same time, you also don't make a powerful argument to get our priorities in order and make sure that we're capable, as a society, of responding to what we need to, because we are not fixed into a budget math problem that is so intractable as senator coburn says, that we sort of just drive off the edge. >> and michael, we have no money for discretionary domestic spending to invest in education, infrastructure, r&d. >> right. >> the things that government, we've grown to expect government to do, if we don't take care of medicare and medicaid. we say it time and time again, yet i get politicians on this show that still pretend that you can take care of waste, fraud, and abuse. and we'll take care of it. and they'll be selling some of the specta
or even in 10 years, we're going to have a budget that is completely taken up by entitlements in the pentagon. and that will be the only thing we're capable of funding. it's the only thing we'll be able to use the power of some progressive government to try to change. you can't be -- i don't think you can be a really good advocate for education, if at the same time, you also don't make a powerful argument to get our priorities in order and make sure that we're capable, as a society, of...
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essentially repeal the amf, that would say this era of war is -- jay johnson, the general kuns counsel of the pentagon, gave a speech about thinking about ending that war. we think about iraq and afghanistan. the hot wars. boots on the grounds wars. the broader framework of war under which we labor through the amf i agree with you the odds are slim that we're going to see a repeal of that, an end to that, but i think it's a place for the conversation to go in the second term as the president headed towards withdrawal with afghanistan and the physical presence we have of u.s. soldiers. >> as we start to understand what an obama foreign policy is. i mean, you look back at the first inaugural just compared with the second inaugural address. the first inaugural address was about ending the era of bush and cheney. that's really what it was about. it was about we're going to do this in i different way. if you unclench your fist. it's a different time now. he has to figure out what he is going to do affirmatively, not in reaction to the way somebody else did it that he disapproved of. >> look at the change i
essentially repeal the amf, that would say this era of war is -- jay johnson, the general kuns counsel of the pentagon, gave a speech about thinking about ending that war. we think about iraq and afghanistan. the hot wars. boots on the grounds wars. the broader framework of war under which we labor through the amf i agree with you the odds are slim that we're going to see a repeal of that, an end to that, but i think it's a place for the conversation to go in the second term as the president...